I think everyone can agree that Rob Styles helped us immensely last night and, if we're perfectly honest, something should be done about a refereeing performance like that.
It all started with the game being put back thirty minutes to allow our fans to arrive. Without them, Styles surely wouldn't have felt NEARLY as pressured as he did, and so would have allowed Paul Robinson to stay on the pitch for his “tackle” on Ji Sung Park. We should all ignore the fact that Park was already to ground when Robinson finished his 30 yard dash with a flying lunge, catching the South Korean hard on the ribs leaving the returning winger prostrate. After looking around for some opinion on the red, I've found that Baggies' fans are divided in opinion, many accepting that the tackle was both late and reckless while some are peddling the age old myth that winning the ball removes any aspect of foul play. It doesn't. Winning the ball does not take away the foul element, as much as those ignorant to the rules of the game may well wish it to be. For me, it was possibly a harsh red but anyone who knows the game also must accept that on making that challenge he knew that he stood a chance of walking as soon as he left the ground. The fact that his trailing leg was grounded before making contact makes no different. It did leave the ground as Robinson threw himself in with all his weight.
Now that I've covered what was the most contentious issue of the night, might I rewind to what could have been had we not notched up the victory. As Gary Neville strode into the area, Chris Brunt took down the right back as Neville flicked the ball to his right to eye up a cross. This incident has passed by essentially without any real coverage or controversy, even though it would have put us 2-0 up and coasting before any red card (Brunt wasn't denying a clear goalscoring opportunity for me so he would have remained on the park). The touch Neville had on the ball to line up a cross was probably seen by the linesman as a touch from Brunt (Styles was unsighted), erroneously.
In honesty, there could have been a couple of early yellows for Vidic and Ferdinand, but both at a stage when Styles was trying to let the game flow. Perhaps the penalty decision would also have been given if it had occurred later in the game? One can only speculate.
Once Robinson had left the stage, the game became much more one-sided. The home faithful booed Park, for reason unbeknownst, but were only met with a free kick given in his favour towards the corner flag. Giggs provided the ammunition, Carson provided the clanger and Tevez put it in for 2-0 and essentially game over. Carson's first instinct was sadly all too familiar with keepers these days as he sought a foul for what he saw as obstruction or an elbow to his body. That elbow obstruction was provided by his own defender, though even that contact was not nearly enough to cause the spill from the ex-Liverpool stopper. He argued his point at half time, as another West Brom player requested Tevez's shirt, a strange scene to occur at the break.
West Brom were spirited when they came out for the second half and a Donk shot smashed against the woodwork as Van Der Sar surely thought the record was gone.
Soon after though the game was totally put to bed as Vidic stole in unmarked at a corner to head past Carson. The fourth goal saw good work from Giggs (who continues to bely his years) as he played a neat ball to Ronaldo to glide through the static defence and bag a much needed goal for the Portuguese player.
There was more faux-controversy soon after as an “offside” Berbatov, who actually timed his run perfectly, strode clear from the home team, looked to have lost momentum but then did well to time his pass to an “offside” Ronaldo, who also timed his run perfectly, to nutmeg Carson and end the rout. Of course, the WBA players did their evening long trick of complaining to Styles about it as the crowd cried foul.
All talk today seems to be about how Styles favoured us all game long but the facts just don't add up. The first really big decision was the penalty, which he got wrong in West Brom's favour, though he was unsighted. The second was the sending off, which by the letter of the law was absolutely correct. The third was the so called offside goal, which he and his assistant got right and the timing of the runs made that very difficult. The linesman should actually be praised for getting such a decision right, but it just isn't in football fans' nature to be so inclined.
The on-going issue was the way Styles handled the constant barracking from the home players, clearly riled up by their perceived injustices. Once he started booking players for dissent, he was left with no option but to continue, so it somewhat begs belief that Baggies players continued to constantly chirp away at the referee, knowing what was coming. I guess it is sometimes easier to play the victim when you're underperforming, but Mowbray will surely try to drum such behaviour from his team for the upcoming struggle to retain a Premier League place. They could have been down to nine men after Roman Bednar's “you're crazy” gesture to the referee after he was brandished with a yellow card for ignoring the whistle and putting the ball in the net, somewhat defiantly.
I stand by my start to this post where I stated that something must be done about that refereeing performance. That something should be praise for not being intimidated by the home crowd. Too many referees are accused of cheating, corruption and bias against the top clubs (especially us) but the facts speak for themselves. We get less penalties given against us because our defenders are better. We get more decisions in our favour because we force lesser players into committing errors.
Referees make mistakes. No one complains about those that work in their favour but demand blood for those that go against. Last night, what should have been the main one went against us. We still won 5-0. Were you watching Merseyside?
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The thing most Albion fans...myself included are most upset about is the fact that we know we were never gonna beat United...even a draw would have felt like a win for us such is the class that oozes through the Reds squad....its just that when you feel you are playing 12 men instead of 11 like we were for most of last night...its harsh. We gave a good account of ourselves for the first 20 minutes but United were always a threat up front and a goal at some point was inevitable......but I will honestly say that after going down the Hawthorns for the last 30 years....that was the worst refereeing I have EVER seen...so blatantly one sided it was embarassing !!...constantly talking to United players like he was 'one of the lads' is disgusting.....he should be imparcial.......if he ever comes down our place again to referee.....I for one wont go and watch him take centre stage AGAIN !! Well done to United though for a class perfomance....just a shame for the Albion players, the fans and the game in general that a one eyed pillock like Styles is allowed to grace our beautiful game.....and spoil it for everone there...Did Raffa have a point....after last night I sure think he does.
Your complete lack of objectivity is very reminiscent of the incompotent performance of the afore mentioned Mr Styles. The penalty was not a penalty and should have resulted in a card for neville who along with ronaldo and Park continually threw themselves to the ground at every opportunity, a foul by vidic on the left side didnt even warrant a talking to from Mr Styles when it should have resulted in a yellow card, there was also a blatant push on fortune in the first half that should have resulted in an albion penalty, i could go on amd on to be honest. It wasn't simply Mr Styles decisions that angered the crowd it was his manner and the way he loved talking to the superstars of United and giving them all the time in the world to talk and chat to him (please observe Mr Neville, Giggs and Carrick for evidence of this. At the end of the game we left with 5 bookings for dissent! no team in the country gives ref's more abuse than United in particular Rooney, Ferdinand and Neville and continually get away with it. I enjoy United they are quite rightly the best team in the world at the moment, however you risk becoming even more hated than you already are, surely you must see that the way your team conducts itself is it not necessary and not in keeping with the history of your club, i'd be very interested in what the great Sir Matt would make of it ALL!
There is no reason why our players shouldn't speak in a friendly manner to the referee, such as we did last night. Perhaps if West Brom players took the same attitude, you'd suffer less bookings.
You're having a laugh suggesting it wasn't a penalty if you've actually seen the game. Brunt doesn't play the ball, he does play the man. Penalty, all day long.
Rooney is a mouth piece, absolutely, and I for one am sick of his inability to stop mouthing off, but what can we do about it? Should we approach the ref and remind him to book Rooney for his tirades? Yea right, that's a plan!
Absolute tripe, Man United are by far a better team than us of that there is no doubt, but the favouritism shown by ref's towards united and the other big 4 is sickening. Congratulating the ref like you have done only serves to make more people hate United Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool more, not to mention the incessant whining of Alex Ferguson if ever a decision was to go against them.Video refereeing should be in place, theres no excuse not to have it by now and then idiots of Styles and his ilk would have to give correct decisions instead of being so arrogant and pig headed. Dont tell me you wouldnt be complaining if Vidic had gone for that 50/50, got sent off and you lost the game....
If video refs were in place, they'd have given us a penalty last night. They'd also have sent Robinson off because his initial lunge was two footed and off the ground.
I'd hate TV replays to be honest. Decisions balance themselves out over the seasons as far as I'm concerned.
If Vidic was sent off for that, I'd have no complaint. Fact.
I find your whole report hypocritical.
You seem more one eyed than the referee in question! For example, I like how you have conveniently missed the touch Brunt got on the ball.
The most hypocritical part of all though, is your comments about our players barracking the referee.
I cant beleive we've been told this by a MANCHESTER UNITED fan!!!!
The reason we are so aggrieved is that it is ok for the top 4 clubs players to surround the referee everytime a decision goes against them, but as soon as one of ours approaches the ref he is booked.
Thats very fair!
I think you also need to look much deeper into the referees performance. Little decisions constantly going in your favour.
Example? Sure! An albion player is trying to get to the ball, holds the shirt of the Manchester United player and the free kick is given instantly. No such luck when its the opposite way round.
How about Fortune turning and beating Ferdinand, only for Ferdinand to blatantly shoulder barge him to the ground with the ball beyond him.
A yellow card? nope. Not even a foul.
Before you try and put a peice together trying to be the big clever journalist, try looking out of a second eye.
What a ridiculous article, you should be ashamed pal
Praise for Styles? It was one of the worst referee performances you'll ever witness, although I'm guessing you watched the game on SKY's highlight show, right?
Pathetic waste of time even putting your ridiculous thoughts on the web pal
SAME OLD MANURE, ALWAYS CHEATING!
No way can that performance last night be credited. Not even the most biased glory hunting united fan could say that he did a good job last night?
He got the sending off wrong, the penalty wrong, didnt book the united players for commiting ridicolous fouls that both warranted yellows but behold did they appear no, as fergie was clearly providing the wine for the after match celebration with nobby styles.
He then booked bednar for taping a ball 5 yards into a net when you were 4 up, what harm did it do, the game was over as a contest!he didnt blast it away in dissent else yes it should have been a yellow.
he then gave a goal kick instead of a corner when park clearly kicked the ball out, morrison sarcastically applauded as did the rest of the croud by now as we were well and truly fed up by how biased he was.
And you said we surrounded the ref, everytime we got near ronaldo he went down asif he'd been shot and then winged at the ref, as did giggs, neville and ferdinand, were they booked no. Again because they were clearly funding nobbys next car.
If i performed as badly as he did last night id be sacked. he should be sacked. Its just a shame that bottle never hit him in the face it would of made everyones night!
hope liverpool win the league, bout time someone shut your lot up!
I did mention that Ferdinand and Vidic could have been booked but this was at a stage when Styles was attempting to let the game flow somewhat, something which changed after the red card.
As for our penalty appeal, Brunt doesn't get a touch. It may appear that he does, but watch it again. Neville touches it with the outside of his right boot, to maneuver the ball for a cross. That's the deviation you see, not a touch from Brunt.
I'm with you, Rob Styles was fair and unbiased throughout. The United players should be commended for not once arguing with the officials whilst the Brom players lost their discipline around them.
Indeed he even had the courage and strength of mind to resist taking any action over Berbatov raising his hands when he was clearly being provoked by a Brom player in the wall.
you pal need to take your red devil glasses off... firstly no pen on neville i was rite in front of it he went down so easy, secondly how cud the ref see from there is beyond me,remember he has to be 100% sure and theres no way he cud of been, the ref only went on the players play acting, so why wasnt berbatov send off for hands raised and pushing our player, tevez booked after his goal and his winding up of the fans, as for ronaldo wots his problem with a slight tackle on him (ponce).lastly rob styles has been demoted twice this season for bad games that he as been a ref, so how you say he does not favour you iam gobbed smacked, US TRUE BAGGIE FANS know we wudnt of really won but all we ask for is the same level of playing field... boing boing ...see it from the bottom end of the table for a change mate
Im sure you would hate in game replays, because over the course of a season, the majority of decisions go your way so you'd be "worse off" if the game was played fairly for all teams concerned. an please dont say you wouldnt complain if Vidic got sent off, Man United fans along with Chelsea and Arsenal fans are the biggest whingers in football, despite being able to beat any team on a given day. Sure you win matches, but when you win unfairly at what cost is it to the game? Robinson wasnt two footed in any way shape or form, his trailing leg (which was held back) followed through because of the momentum, thats totally different.
The above comments show up West Brom fans for being small minded as they seem to already have an inbuilt attitude of the fact that refs favour the big 4 regardless. The facts stated in the article are absolutely correct, I think the ref had a good game although I think the sending off was not warranted as there was not malicious intent, it was clearly a 50/50 for which Park was quicker, but if it was Rooney for instance it would have been a sending off and a ban of about 8 games because despite what the smaller clubs think, United get a raw deal from the FA and from many refs, as in I think it was the Arsenal match where Utd got about 6 players booked. Anyway who cares, United , United top of the league.
Sorry there fella, but you can't tell me how I'd feel about Vidic being sent off. I can hand on heart tell you I would have zero complaints if he'd been sent off for that.
I can also see what you're saying about Berbatov in the wall. He should have been booked for that, by the letter of the law.
I have no idea how so many of you have found this blog, seeing as it's listed in the Man Utd section on NewsNow. It would soon be diluted down in the main football or sports section.
Perhaps those reading this are those looking for somewhere to vent?
Your all contradicting yourselves
provoked or not raise your hands you get sent off, obviously if its utd you dont.
as one rule for one and one for another.
This was the same ref i presume you all praised for the fact you beat bolton by a goal from the penalty spot when ronaldo clearly dived and samuel cleanly one the ball. So theres two extra points tht you havent earnt gifted you by an inept ref!
I am a season ticket holder and can honestly say Rob Styles is by far and away the WORST referee I have seen at the Hawthorns for years.
The manner of Styles performance was appalling and apart from the Robinson decision the major reason why the home fans are so disgusted.
The blatant favouring towards Utd was so obvious as was the manner of his dealings with the Utd players in comparision.
My point is Rob Styles is a shocking referee and was clearly in my humble opinion refereeing for a good mark from Fergie, we have been here before in the Prem and in the bottom 3 and you just dont get the decisions.
As for the game, hats off the the UTD team quite simply the best team performance I have seen this year, good luck and I expect you to win the league at a canter. I have no axe to grind with Man Utd just that idiot Styles
I certainly don't agree that we get a raw deal from the FA, though. The Evra ban was odd, as well as the Rooney and Scholes bans for a preseason tournament when Gerrard was not banned for the same offence, but it's as I say... these things balance out.
I've also said that the red was iffy in my eyes, but he did INITIALLY leave the ground with both feet before grounding the trailing leg. The force was built up in the initial lunge, so the fact he tucked his leg down was irrelevant. By the letters of the law, it's a red, so it's startling to see people using that as an example of Styles' ineptitude when he did that one absolutely by the book.
Please don't insult us by using the Bolton penalty. No, it wasn't a penalty, though from where I was sitting it appeared so. However, Ronaldo did NOT dive. He went down because of the way Samuel took the ball. He didn't even appeal for a penalty and you could tell on the replays on TV that he was startled it was given.
That was Styles messing up, NOT a dive.
Also, that wasn't the only goal we scored that day and a goal had been on the cards for sometime.
that day styles didnt do his job and he doesnt whenever he refs a game.its about time better quality refs were brought in because the standard is awful, clatenberg, miller, styles, howard all awful
Im sorry, but with regards to Man United players falling over left right and centre, for every legitimate foul comitted against a United player, theres 4 or 5 where the player ends on the deck writhing in agony. if the decision goes their way their up in a flash taking the free kick, and if its not their way they jump up and run to the ref to remonstrate at their mistreatment. more often than not they get away with it as well. United are good enough to not need to cheat, and the fact that you do is the reason 90% of fans respect you but at the same time hate you. play the game fairly and we'll change our tune. that goes for the ref's as well.
I agree that refs aren't always brilliant, but they're in a no win situation. Before the days of Sky TV were they really any worse? I'd say not, they simply weren't analysed to the nth degree, and the advent of football forums and blogs such as my own have only added to the fervour.
The idea that we go down and complain any more than other teams is a complete fallacy. Is Ronaldo anywhere near the diver he was when he first came to England? Not at all. Does he milk it sometimes? Yes, certainly, but when you see the constant kickings he takes (the Stoke game after Christmas is one striking example) is extraordinary. It's nothing major, but it was constant snapping at his ankles and heels that caused him to need an operation in the summer. Does he complain? No, he comes out and says that most defenders are fair.
Ridiculous 'story' this is totally biased journalism!
Styles has 'yet again' shown how poor he is at refereeing, there were definately one set of rules for Albion and another for his mates!
Albion were never going to win, but this is the highlight of the season and it was marred by an awful referee who spoilt the game!
Good luck to Man U, a top quality footballing side
An incredible amount of tit for tat going on here. Firstly the Robinson challenge I saw both arrive at the same time for a 50/50 ball. In fact I would say that Robinson was travelling faster than Park. He travelled (flat on the ground) horizontally across Robinson that is why he got bashed in the ribs. Harsh for Robinson that he got sent off. There is a little silver lining for the Albion in that Marich Cech will get a run in the side he is more skillful alrounder than Robinson. When he came on he effectively ended the threat from Park. My main issue is with Styles. I must say you do tend to see this through Red Glasses. Let me illustrate two situations in the game. The first involving the upending of Jay Simpson, Giggs held the ball and "discussed the situation" face to face with Styles. Albion waited patiently for the ball once the conversation was completed Giggs dropped the Ball at Styles feet it was left Styles to give the Ball back to Albion. No action what subservience! 2nd incident just before half time Koren, our replacement captain, questions Styles as to why a free kick had been given in a manner that was neither threantening or offensive - booked. Explain to me how that works. I dont have any objection to depth and richness of skill in your side and you should have won 3 :0 that would have been a fair score but we have suffer a stupid level of official prejudice. On the Styles agents web site he claims "likes nothing better that leading out many millionaires onto the pitch and conducting the proceedings". I suggest he is blinded by the same greed that has consumed this wonderful game. Once you have lost the players and the fans outside of the top 5 and they are convinced that they stand no chance they will never play to anything like their full potential in front of these sides. Hence we have two leagues in the premiership. The fight amongst the top 5 and the struggle below. I know which is closer to the game I love and have followed for the last 45 years.
What the hell are you on about, what a rubbish article!! WATCH the Neville incident again and you will see it was a perfect challenge and won the ball, and Neville dived, yes DIVED! Even your own fans on your own messageboard acknowledge it was a dive and joked that he'd been taking a leaf out of Ronaldo's book.
The sending off was never a sending off, so take off the red tinted specs. Again, upon looking at your fans' messageboard 90% of your own fans dont think it was a red.
Rubbish article, poor opinions. Wish I hadn't wasted my time reading such drivel.
Let me guess. You watched the game from home?
Thought so. You stupid idiotic twat, you need to get those red blinkers off sometime and your mouth from Rob Styles' nutsack.
Sadly fellow reds aren't immune to being wrong and not always knowing the laws of the game. Oh well.
What a ridiculous article, you should be ashamed pal
Praise for Styles? It was one of the worst referee performances you'll ever witness, although I'm guessing you watched the game on SKY's highlight show, right?
Pathetic waste of time even putting your ridiculous thoughts on the web pal"
www.dailymail.co.uk
That should do you just fine.
What everyone seems to miss was when brunt turned Vidic on the edge of the box in the second half, Brunt would have been clean through on goal without a united defender in sight. sending off in my book AND I AM SURE IF IT HAD HAPPENED AT THE OTHER END OF THE FIELD THATS WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. Free Kick on the edge of the box according to Mr Stiles. Shameful refereeing disply throughout.
Let's face it only a Manure fan could have written this.
In 40 years of following football, they've never really bothered me to be honest. I admired their fans during their low points of the 70s and 80s when we regularly beat them and since then I've never really minded them to be honest. When football went Sky Low they were just another team that greedily mined their way to their ill-gotten gains. Liverpool, Manure, Arsenal, what was and is the difference? Wannabe Real Madrids? No, absolutely nothing.
Since then, journos and the powers- that-be have been suckered into the Manure fairy tale and low and behold, they now virtually run the game.
The other week I honestly thought that Benitez had lost his marbles. Once again, one over-rated Manager bitching about another, I thought. Who gives a monkey's, I thought.
Last night, I could honestly see what he was on about. For the first 25 minutes any time an Albion player went near a Manure player, Styles blew for a foul and admonished the Albion player.
In one comical incident a foul was given for a Valero challenge on Giggs in midfield. The fact that Valero didn't get within 12 inches of Giggs and failed to make contact with either the ball or the man, seem to compound the suspicions that Styles was on a mission to protect the Manure players.
Now, I wouldn't mind if Manure were playing Stoke or Bolton but protect them against what exactly?
Albion just aren't that type of team under Mowbray. They, quite simply, don't possess players of that ilk. Messrs Koren, Valero, Brunt and Zuiverloon couldn't kick their respective ways out of the proverbial paper bag, if they were equipped with hob-nail boots.
So did Ferguson directly or indirectly influence Styles' handling of the match. I rather think so and it is that and not the 0-5 reverse that has annoyed me for the last 24 hours.
We were always going to lose last night but for Manure to receive such help from the referee just makes you realise what teams are up against.
For anyone to single out and cherry pick a laughable set of incidents to prove otherwise and misrepresent them as evidence why Manure won fairly and squarely is belittling the Club that they undoubtedly support and completely smacks of how deluded and arrogant the said supporter is.
As Paul Jewell said "If that was a sending-off, then we might as well just pack our bags".
We can't compete on money and we certainly can't compete on influence, so what is the point?
If only you'd resisted the urge to go into suggesting that Ferguson had any influence over the game or bringing up the Skyperbole, you'd have seemed a reasonable chap. As it was, you proved you are bitter and negated what came before. A shame.
Bitter about what exactly?
Bitter about the fact, not opinion, a Club the size of Manure haven't won anywhere near the amount of trophies that, let's say, Madrid, Milan or Liverpool have?
As I said "deluded and arrogant".
And almost definitely an armchair.
Typical.
Real and AC aren't even sligtly comparible, such is the lack of depth in the leagues in those countries.
As for Liverpool, I think we're closer than you think.
One league behind, two European Cups/CL and well ahead on FA Cups.
I'm far from arrogant when it comes to United, my friend. I'm the biggest worrier and skeptic you'll find. Read my other posts if you want to see that. I'm also not deluded. I'm counting no chickens this season, and I see weaknesses in our team and squad.
As for the armchair comment, how typical. That's the inferiority complex of a smaller team shining right through.
Inferiority complex? Don't make me laugh. You'll miss your train to London with all that smugness and arrogance radiating from your post.
Don't forgot without Albion you wouldn't have had your Captain Marvel Bryan Robson. I'm guessing football begin in the 92-93 season to you?
Were you actually at the game? I really just want a simple yes or no now. I'm sure the meaning will get lost somewhere to an imbecile like you.
It's all about opinions and you have yours and fair enough. Whether i agree with them or not is another matter. Just like whether I agree with Mr Styles' decisions, either at the game or with the benefit of countless tv replays.
I will confirm that I do not like his style of refereeing, for what it's worth.
But anyway, I digress. What I've posted here for - what has really got my beef - is your statement about your belief that "Decisions balance themselves out over the seasons as far as I'm concerned."
Well, from the evidence that I have seen over the last 5 or 6 seasons with my team nothing could be further from the truth. And to be honest, along with the actual cost of going to the games, this is the main reason why this season will be my last.
I don't see the point in wasting my hard earned money watching my team try to not only overcome opposition teams that have far more financial resources to afford them far superior players in every position, but having to play against the officials as well.
If last night's performance by the officials had been the only one of its type that I'd seen in the last 5 or 6 years then fair enough, however to be honest I have witnessed them with alarming regularity. I'm fed up with reading match reports in the media week after week that state that we "opened brightly but then a harsh/incorrect decision by the officials cruelly cost them".
Fed up.
Terrible piece of onesided and arrogant journalism.Football has become the privelige of the powerful and rich clubs with stadiums packed with corporate suits. West Bromwich Albion are a small club who are proud founder members of the football league. We have no glamour or superstars, no Ronaldo or Rooney, a rookie coach and a passionate working class fan base drawn from an impoverished industrial area.
Most of our fans aspire to Premiership survival and a little shout.
Manchester United buy success and to make statements about little clubs complaining and " superior players" sickens me - if this is the future of our beloved game you can keep it - the referee was afraid and clearly felt out of his depth.
You need to go and sit in stadiums like ours or Wolves or any of a hundred "smaller" clubs to really understand what football means to most of us.
He fckin right, hes fckin right, he fckin, RAFA'S FCKIN RIGHT.
u cheat and u get results, Park Is A Twat.
Where do i start with rob styles, hes a dickhead, spoilt the game for the fans that paid good money to watch it. Didnt give albion a chance in hell. Gave every decision where a united player went down, musta gave our whole team a yellow card, didnt give albion anything even if our bloke had been grappled 2 the ground. All in all, "ROB STYLES ROB STYLES, ROBBIE ROBBIE STYLES, WHEN U GET THE BALL, UNITED WILL SCORE, ROBBIE ROBBIE STYLES
"Don't forgot without Albion you wouldn't have had your Captain Marvel Bryan Robson. I'm guessing football begin in the 92-93 season to you?
Were you actually at the game? I really just want a simple yes or no now. I'm sure the meaning will get lost somewhere to an imbecile like you."
Please, I have absolutely no problem with West Brom and never said I do. I do however have a problem with fans who follow West Brom (or other teams not seen as a "big club")and expect some kind of extra respect because they aren't as successful.
So many people use the argument of "where would you be if Man Utd weren't successful?" and take ridiculous high ground safe in their own assumption (though I don't believe that most would really claim to have this opinion of challenged properly on it) that the answer would be that I'd move onto whoever was top of the league that day.
I'm still a fairly young lad, and I have seen a lot of success in my years, but I'm under no illusion that all things change and I'll see my team in much less successful times.
In answer to your last question, no. I wasn't at the game.
So your view of the game is based on reports from Sky and the such like I take it? How can you speak with any authority on the game when you didn't attend? Roy Keane was right about the "Prawn Sandwich" brigade wasn't he?
No, I watched the entire game live and again the next day.
Are you honestly saying that the only way you can have an opinion on a football game is by attending?
Joott, Even the FA can see it wasn't a red. As for commending Styles for that performance, don't insult people pal!
Man U would've won the game regardless of the red and I actually thought it was a pen for Brunts tackle, a very silly way to challenge I thought (I was in the same end of the ground as you) but as for the dissent, how about Giggs picking the ball up and berating Styles to his face? Neville constantly in his ear? Even you must agree that the 2 yellows following the 5th were a joke? Styles ran over card already in hand, yet Carson and Donk were a good 10 yards away from the linesman!
Get a shred of impartiality in your blog and it'd be a lot better.
If anything, in the heat of the moment, you tend to see things rather differently when attending the game, than when arriving home to see the same incident and think.....'Oh shit, the ref was right'.
As a random sidenote, Mike Riley's performance at WHL the other night was majestic.
Like I said earlier, read my other posts if you think I lack impartiality.
So people berate the FA constantly, yet when they do something they agree with, you'll say "Even the FA can see it wasn't a red"...
That also ignores the fact that I said that I thought it was harsh. Yes. I maybe wouldn't have sent him off. Has that fact been lost down the line? By the word of the book, I still think Styles was right, but I never said that the book response was right for the red card.
Neville is allowed to chat to Styles as much as he wants, he's the ref. Giggs is a serial whinger, which I've said many times though I'm not sure if I've mentioned it on my blog yet. I am not a massive fan of Giggs' involvement with refs.
The cards at the end were a joke, but what was Styles meant to do? If he stopped giving cards because you were already heavily beaten, he'd be just as much a joke and would be bent in your favour. By that stage he had already made it clear that dissent of any kind was going to get a yellow. He has to stick to that.
That is exactly my point joott, he was not consistent with both teams, booking West Bromwich Albion players for dissent but not Man Utd players. My main point was that by you saying that he should be commended for that performance is a joke. Surely?
I feel somewhere down the line, the tone of my entire post was lost. No, Styles didn't have a great night at the office.
"I stand by my start to this post where I stated that something must be done about that refereeing performance. That something should be praise"
How am I misinterpreting this?
Misinterpretation and Man U go hand in hand, I remember vividly getting the run around outside Lou Macari's Chip Shop following our Yam-busters song at Old Trafford
Some things I say may be a tad tongue in cheek from time to time...
Ah Lou Macari's, the only chip shop who makes those chips out of cardboard. Avoid at all costs.
Fair play mate, good luck between now and the end of the season. Styles just wound quite a few people up the other night and maybe you and your tongue in cheek blog are baring the brunt of it seeing as refs are more of a protected species than a pair of breeding dodo's would be nowadays!
Cheers fella, to be honest I don't know how my blog got any kind of exposure to West Brom fans, except for one Man Utd lad posted it pretending it was his own work on the Rivals website and I had to go on there to reclaim it as my own.
Good luck to yourselves, too. I have a lot of respect for Mowbray, living amongst a bunch who remember him as the best captain their team ever had. Hopefully he can fly you lot to the moon, too.
I'm not one to trawl Man U sites in order to lash out, it just got pasted onto an Albion forum and got discussed there.
Mowbray is the best thing to happen to us for a long time in my opinion and he would have a much better chance of flying us to the moon if our Chairman wasn't insisting he do it with his hands tied behind his back.
Anyway onwards and upwards to Hull on saturday!
What WBA site if you don't mind me asking?
The trying to play good football ethos is admirable especially when you see how some teams totally abandon it upon promotion. You have a few tidy players in this likes of Koren and Greening, and making ties with the likes of Arsenal for players like Jay Simpson are also good.
If you do go down, which I sadly think you will, you should be well set up to bring in some more loanees and bounce straight back into the top flight, and this time be more savvy on how to stay up.
Until we get a change in fiscal approach from the Chairman it will be same old story, we have a wage cap that he will not alter and it's costing us big time in the market. I'm still hopeful we'll stay up, but we could do with a helping hand from the man at the top to facilitate this. The league is so tight, but I'm adamant that there are 3 worse teams in the division than us, unfortunately though most of them appear to be spending money!
http://www.wbazone.com/forum/index.php?board=1.0
That's the site I'm talking about, decent bunch on there for the most part, you can't keep all the idiots away!
Red Card Rescinded need we say any more.
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